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Support Your Colleagues at UNSW and Macquarie – An Urgent Message from the NTEU General Secretary

Posted 25 November 2010 by Grahame McCulloch (NTEU National Office)

Dear Friends,

Around 150 NTEU members have imposed bans on the transmission of examination results at the University of New South Wales and Macquarie University.  NTEU Branch negotiators have spent more than two years trying to secure Collective Agreements which guarantee competitive pay rises, job security, reductions in contract and casual employment and the restoration of employment standards stripped away by the Howard Government’s Higher Education Workplace Relations Requirements (HEWRRs) and WorkChoices.

Members forced to take industrial action

NTEU members at 30 universities have already achieved Collective Agreements which deliver these guaranteed employment standards, and 5 other universities are close to settlement.  Only the UNSW and Macquarie University managements have resisted and opposed these standards, particularly on job security and reducing contract and casual employment.  UNSW and Macquarie members have been left with little choice but to pursue direct industrial action. 

Management to unfairly penalise members imposing bans

The 150 members imposing bans have offered to perform their full range of duties except for the transmission of results.  Management has rejected this offer and will not pay any salary to these members for the duration of the bans – this may well involve the loss of thousands of dollars for each member, many of whom are on relatively low salaries and/or are employed casually.

Urgent solidarity needed

I urge every NTEU member to provide direct support to our colleagues.  Their fight is your fight – for employment standards which reflect the professionalism and productivity of all Australian university staff.

With your support our Macquarie and UNSW colleagues can win this dispute.  You can make a big difference:

If you are an NTEU member at UNSW or Macquarie, any donation you make will be set aside to specifically support your local colleagues imposing bans.  Money from the whole NTEU membership will be evenly distributed to members imposing the bans at both universities.

Please support this appeal – you will find further information here:

 

Grahame McCulloch

General Secretary

Comments

  1. Strange said on 11:11 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ 0 ] Can anyone post here?

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  2. s!udent :| said on 11:10 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ -2 ] Looks like student series got banned. I really don't understand why though - the NTEU has now taken to censoring all legitimate viewpoints.

    @ Cathy R - I'm sure every student would like to think of education as faeries and rainbows and ponies but unfortunately thats not the case. Be realistic. We engage in higher education because it gives us a better position in the job market. For that we need a degree, and marks. We would not come to University but for the fact of getting our degree and our marks. Very few students are actively "engaged" in scholarship - perhaps those who want to enter the field of academia. But I assure you the vast majority of students are far more concerned about their job prospects and futures - this is what you have forgotten in banning marks. People are suffering as they cannot apply for internships and cannot apply for graduate positions - this may potentially impact their entire future.

    It was in fact an extremely talented lecturer from UNSW who told me that lectures and tutorials etc. were public goods. The only private good from Universities are the right to get our papers marked (and obviously get the marks - this should follow logically). Whether or not education is a public or private good in general is completely irrelevant - if you do want to talk economics then as it stands education is a private good with positive externalities. But this is not the forum to debate this issue - our prime concern here is the marks we've been deprived of.

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  3. student :| said on 11:10 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ 0 ] Looks like -_- student got banned. I really don't understand why though - the NTEU has now taken to censoring all legitimate viewpoints.

    @ Cathy R - I'm sure every student would like to think of education as faeries and rainbows and ponies but unfortunately thats not the case. Be realistic. We engage in higher education because it gives us a better position in the job market. For that we need a degree, and marks. We would not come to University but for the fact of getting our degree and our marks. Very few students are actively "engaged" in scholarship - perhaps those who want to enter the field of academia. But I assure you the vast majority of students are far more concerned about their job prospects and futures - this is what you have forgotten in banning marks. People are suffering as they cannot apply for internships and cannot apply for graduate positions - this may potentially impact their entire future.

    It was in fact an extremely talented lecturer from UNSW who told me that lectures and tutorials etc. were public goods. The only private good from Universities are the right to get our papers marked (and obviously get the marks - this should follow logically). Whether or not education is a public or private good in general is completely irrelevant - if you do want to talk economics then as it stands education is a private good with positive externalities. But this is not the forum to debate this issue - our prime concern here is the marks we've been deprived of.

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  4. -_- student said on 11:02 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ -1 ] This ones been banned too?

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  5. -_- student said on 10:56 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ 0 ] @ Cathy R

    Put it whatever way you want but we would not pay for University but for the degree we would get at the end and the marks we get in between. I can find Youtube teachers like Salman Khan (Khan Academy - http://khanacademy.com/) who are way better than the majority of lecturers at our University.

    Yes the 'learning/student experience' is there but it is definitely not the primary reason we go to University. Be practical. We go to University because higher education entitles us to a stronger position in the job market - and for that we need a degree and transcript.

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  6. Upset academic said on 9:05 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ 0 ] FIRSTLY, i am not an upset academic. I am actually JAMES, but the NTEU has banned any comments. I have, instead, created the alias of upset academic so i blend in. i am currently well behind enemy lines.

    student, your fighting the good fight mate. unfortunately you won't win, because in the end, the NTEU will delete all of these comments and just pretend it never happened. all animals are equal mate, but some are more equal than others...

    i do sympathesis with you... like you mate, my results were held and i am now forced to wait in limbo whilst the nteu fight for their brothers and sisters and get what they want...
    honestly nteu, what's your problem? why do you assume anything will result from this? its been mentioned before, the first time you pulled this shit, it was acceptable. i just stood by and shook my head... but a second time in the same year? now come on...
    i'm not going to start rambling on (as i have done in the past) about typical bullying tactics you are using, or the way that you feel the need to have your say but no one cares about you, your stupid action or your stupid members and doesn't give a shit, leaving you useless and helpless, so you do a stupid stunt like your doing, or the fact that you are just a bunch of immature whingers who haven't grown up, can't face the real world and have felt the need to stand around watercoolers in the mathews building whining and bitching

    whose fault is it that the arts faculty has dropped in ranking? surely not the academics in the faculty who teach and write for them! don't blame yourselves anne, blame the university you work for. that makes much more sense.

    as for cathy r, i have read your comments...
    1stly, you are not overworked, you are kiding me!
    2ndly, your ultimatum of "If you don't want your experience to consist of sitting in large classes taught by overworked stressed-out staff, I suggest you support our action." is complete and utter nonsense. your a female - multi-task!
    3rdly, despite what you say, you don't care about students. you don't give a shit about students. infact, your going out of your way to disadvantage students!
    Your actions are speaking louder than any words you are saying cathy. i don't support you because you, cathy, the nteu and all of these wank.ers who jump on the "save a tree and help the poor teachers" band-wagon are hypoctical, self-centered complainers. who gives a shit if you cause stress and anxiety for the students you care about at unsw who are impacted on by this ban - such as myself and poor "student". you are hypoctirical, protest happy whingers. grow up and see how things are done outside of the walls of a university.

    and why do you, cathy, continue to delete my comments? i am offended by the rubbish thats been plastered over this site. i really and truely hope you are offended by mine! the difference is that what i say and what student is saying makes sense. its simply the other side of the coin cathy, yet the nteu feels the need to destroy it? if you really cared about me cathy, let me have my say! unlike my other 4 posts you've canned, don't delete this one.

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  7. James re-incarnate said on 9:02 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ +1 ] student, your fighting the good fight mate. unfortunately you won't win, because in the end, the NTEU will delete all of these comments and just pretend it never happened. all animals are equal mate, but some are more equal than others...

    i do sympathesis with you... like you mate, my results were held and i am now forced to wait in limbo whilst the nteu fight for their brothers and sisters and get what they want...
    honestly nteu, what's your problem? why do you assume anything will result from this? its been mentioned before, the first time you pulled this shit, it was acceptable. i just stood by and shook my head... but a second time in the same year? now come on...
    i'm not going to start rambling on (as i have done in the past) about typical bullying tactics you are using, or the way that you feel the need to have your say but no one cares about you, your stupid action or your stupid members and doesn't give a shit, leaving you useless and helpless, so you do a stupid stunt like your doing, or the fact that you are just a bunch of immature whingers who haven't grown up, can't face the real world and have felt the need to stand around watercoolers in the mathews building whining and bitching

    whose fault is it that the arts faculty has dropped in ranking? surely not the academics in the faculty who teach and write for them! don't blame yourselves anne, blame the university you work for. that makes much more sense.

    as for cathy r, i have read your comments...
    1stly, you are not overworked, you are kiding me!
    2ndly, your ultimatum of "If you don't want your experience to consist of sitting in large classes taught by overworked stressed-out staff, I suggest you support our action." is complete and utter nonsense. your a female - multi-task!
    3rdly, despite what you say, you don't care about students. you don't give a shit about students. infact, your going out of your way to disadvantage students!
    Your actions are speaking louder than any words you are saying cathy. i don't support you because you, cathy, the nteu and all of these wank.ers who jump on the "save a tree and help the poor teachers" band-wagon are hypoctical, self-centered complainers. who gives a shit if you cause stress and anxiety for the students you care about at unsw who are impacted on by this ban - such as myself and poor "student". you are hypoctirical, protest happy whingers. grow up and see how things are done outside of the walls of a university.

    and why do you, cathy, continue to delete my comments? i am offended by the rubbish thats been plastered over this site. i really and truely hope you are offended by mine! the difference is that what i say and what student is saying makes sense. its simply the other side of the coin cathy, yet the nteu feels the need to destroy it? if you really cared about me cathy, let me have my say! unlike my other 4 posts you've canned, don't delete this one.

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  8. Jimbo said on 9:01 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ -3 ] student, your fighting the good fight mate. unfortunately you won't win, because in the end, the NTEU will delete all of these comments and just pretend it never happened. all animals are equal mate, but some are more equal than others...

    i do sympathesis with you... like you mate, my results were held and i am now forced to wait in limbo whilst the nteu fight for their brothers and sisters and get what they want...
    honestly nteu, what's your problem? why do you assume anything will result from this? its been mentioned before, the first time you pulled this shit, it was acceptable. i just stood by and shook my head... but a second time in the same year? now come on...
    i'm not going to start rambling on (as i have done in the past) about typical bullying tactics you are using, or the way that you feel the need to have your say but no one cares about you, your stupid action or your stupid members and doesn't give a shit, leaving you useless and helpless, so you do a stupid stunt like your doing, or the fact that you are just a bunch of immature whingers who haven't grown up, can't face the real world and have felt the need to stand around watercoolers in the mathews building whining and bitching

    whose fault is it that the arts faculty has dropped in ranking? surely not the academics in the faculty who teach and write for them! don't blame yourselves anne, blame the university you work for. that makes much more sense.

    as for cathy r, i have read your comments...
    1stly, you are not overworked, you are kiding me!
    2ndly, your ultimatum of "If you don't want your experience to consist of sitting in large classes taught by overworked stressed-out staff, I suggest you support our action." is complete and utter nonsense. your a female - multi-task!
    3rdly, despite what you say, you don't care about students. you don't give a shit about students. infact, your going out of your way to disadvantage students!
    Your actions are speaking louder than any words you are saying cathy. i don't support you because you, cathy, the nteu and all of these wank.ers who jump on the "save a tree and help the poor teachers" band-wagon are hypoctical, self-centered complainers. who gives a shit if you cause stress and anxiety for the students you care about at unsw who are impacted on by this ban - such as myself and poor "student". you are hypoctirical, protest happy whingers. grow up and see how things are done outside of the walls of a university.

    and why do you, cathy, continue to delete my comments? i am offended by the rubbish thats been plastered over this site. i really and truely hope you are offended by mine! the difference is that what i say and what student is saying makes sense. its simply the other side of the coin cathy, yet the nteu feels the need to destroy it? if you really cared about me cathy, let me have my say! unlike my other 4 posts you've canned, don't delete this one.

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  9. James is back baby!! said on 9:01 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ 0 ] student, your fighting the good fight mate. unfortunately you won't win, because in the end, the NTEU will delete all of these comments and just pretend it never happened. all animals are equal mate, but some are more equal than others...

    i do sympathesis with you... like you mate, my results were held and i am now forced to wait in limbo whilst the nteu fight for their brothers and sisters and get what they want...
    honestly nteu, what's your problem? why do you assume anything will result from this? its been mentioned before, the first time you pulled this shit, it was acceptable. i just stood by and shook my head... but a second time in the same year? now come on...
    i'm not going to start rambling on (as i have done in the past) about typical bullying tactics you are using, or the way that you feel the need to have your say but no one cares about you, your stupid action or your stupid members and doesn't give a shit, leaving you useless and helpless, so you do a stupid stunt like your doing, or the fact that you are just a bunch of immature whingers who haven't grown up, can't face the real world and have felt the need to stand around watercoolers in the mathews building whining and bitching

    whose fault is it that the arts faculty has dropped in ranking? surely not the academics in the faculty who teach and write for them! don't blame yourselves anne, blame the university you work for. that makes much more sense.

    as for cathy r, i have read your comments...
    1stly, you are not overworked, you are kiding me!
    2ndly, your ultimatum of "If you don't want your experience to consist of sitting in large classes taught by overworked stressed-out staff, I suggest you support our action." is complete and utter nonsense. your a female - multi-task!
    3rdly, despite what you say, you don't care about students. you don't give a shit about students. infact, your going out of your way to disadvantage students!
    Your actions are speaking louder than any words you are saying cathy. i don't support you because you, cathy, the nteu and all of these wank.ers who jump on the "save a tree and help the poor teachers" band-wagon are hypoctical, self-centered complainers. who gives a shit if you cause stress and anxiety for the students you care about at unsw who are impacted on by this ban - such as myself and poor "student". you are hypoctirical, protest happy whingers. grow up and see how things are done outside of the walls of a university.

    and why do you, cathy, continue to delete my comments? i am offended by the rubbish thats been plastered over this site. i really and truely hope you are offended by mine! the difference is that what i say and what student is saying makes sense. its simply the other side of the coin cathy, yet the nteu feels the need to destroy it? if you really cared about me cathy, let me have my say! unlike my other 4 posts you've canned, don't delete this one.

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  10. student said on 0:29 Thursday 2 Dec, 2010

    [ 0 ] all that this ban seems to be doing is turning a sympathetic student populace against the nteu by unfairly leveraging the marks that they've worked hard for all semester. just a bit of collateral damage in your view I suppose, but pushing students to siding with the university will get you nowhere. I support you in principle but I am likely to miss internship cutoff dates now because I haven't got 3 of my marks. congratulations, douchebags

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